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  "Drugs are demonic, mmmmkay?"

  by Mr. Falcon in

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  2. beliefs

  i hope everyone is having a wonderful summer filled with district conventions and auxillary pioneering.

  just kidding, let's talk drugs.. as a kid growing up in the mid-80's and through the 90's, we had all kinds of lame, pointless anti-drug programs at school.

  the most common one was the d.a.r.e.

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  Bungi Bill

  As well as some dictionary's rendering of the Greek word "pharmakia", much was made of drug usage in spiritistic rites:

  - in parts of South East Asia and Papua New Guinea, betel nut was chewed as a signal to "The Demons" that people wished to make communication.

  - likewise, Amerindian people used to smoke tobacco as a signal to open communication with the "other side."

  Then, whammo! Back about 1972, tobacco smoking now gets moved from off the merely frowned upon list, and onto the forbidden list.

  (Enough to make you want to tie bunches of garlic around your bed to keep them at bay - or does that only protect against vampires?)

  Bill.
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  JWs always deny the information control

  by AuntBee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  an active witness on fb just told me that they are taught to "always question what we are taught" and use not only the wt publications, but any research materials, and come to a conclusion about what they find!

  this is not what i've heard from you guys!

  does she go to some unusual-type kingdom hall, or is she mesing with my mind?.

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  Bungi Bill

  To their list of forbidden literature could be added Schnell's 30 Years a Watchtower Slave.

  They would definitely fly into a panic if they knew you had been reading that!

  Bill.
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  JW's And The Abuse Of Children...

  by shel54401 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  through out my 10yrs.

  of being involved w/ the organization i have witnessed a many pyhsical abuse.and i even have been to a many different halls, in which i saw the same abuse on children.the last thing that had made me leave was a case of childabuse, in which no elders nor any one did anything to help these poor children, so i reported them and the children were taken from the home that day, the husband went to jail then prision for a probation violation by hurting the children.the little one of age 5 was punched in the face, then kicked down a flight of stairs..this was it for me, after reporting this, i left the organization and never looked back..how sad, when people just stood by and watched this happen, even an elder's wife, and no one did anything to help these poor children.and the beatings i witnessed in the bathrooms was just awful.after my research of this dangerous cult, and then the beatings of the children was enough for me to take my 5 year old daughter and myself out of this dangerous organization and never look back.

  yes, we lost a many frineds, but i still keep in contact w/ some of my jw"s friends who sneek over at times to visit me..i sure pray that god will helo them escape this dangerous organization before its too late..

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  Bungi Bill

  The simple truth of the matter is that the JWs are not a family friendly religion, and the widespread use of corporal punishment is just one aspect of this:

  - an aspect which the Bible itself has a lot to answer for. However apologists might like to try and reword matters, scriptures that talk about "beating with the rod of discipline" can only mean one thing - and will only be interpreted one way.

  It is a tall order to expect an adult to sit quietly through two hours of a boring, mind-numbning, sould-destroying JW "meeting." Yet the JWs expect infants to endure such, without making a sound. Then, if the child does complain, common practice is to administer a beating. Not even animals treat their young in such a manner!

  Bill.
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  Have Jehovah's Witnesses (The WTBTS) taken the Best Years of your life?

  by Hairyhegoat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  having been a born in for 44 years i can say yes to this question.

  my 2 sisters and 1 brother and my dad have nothing to do with my family now we have made our stand against the jw's.

  i was always downtrodden at school for been a jw.

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  Bungi Bill

  Unhesitatingly, yes, the #$%^*s did!

  For sure, you always try to make the best of what you have left to work with. That, however, is never going to regain what was thrown away - and I see little use in trying to kid yourself otherwise.

  Bill.
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  607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

  by Witness My Fury in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

  using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

  do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

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  Bungi Bill

  We will likely hear more on this matter tomorrow night, when the full moon is out!

  Bill
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  What made you leave "The Truth"?

  by Chemical Emotions in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for me it was many things.

  most concerned certain teachings that invloved genders, children, sex, sexuality and sexual orientations, disfellowshipping, apostates, blood, rape, and few other things, as well as the jw's unloving attitude toward so many people..

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  It was a feeling of more and more being placed in a position of having to defend that which was indefensible:

  - Failure of prophecy (as it turned out, not just once, but repeatedly)

  - Closely linked to that, chronology that was conjectured.

  - Flip Flop doctrinal changes, excused as being "New Light" (by misapplication of a certain Bible text).

  - Then, the attempting to rewrite their own history to cover it all up!

  - Also, the absence of what Christ said would identify his true followers, i.e. love.

  Certainly, there are good people amongst the JWs, but no more than amongst the population in general - whereas they would have you believe that JWs alone have the monopoly on this. For me, the wake up call was working at the same place as another "brother." In many ways, he was worse than the so-called "worldly" people on the staff - a point picked up on by the "worldlies" themselves!

  If not at any other time, you or your family will discover this lack of love if you ever get into trouble. For us, it all fell back on our "worldly" family to assist when my wife became chronically ill. (The congregation accused us of trying to "use" people.)

  The hard pill to swallow at the time was that I actually knew better people before I got involved with the JWs.

  Bill.
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  You're only an ATHEIST because of the abusive relationship you had with your former religion..?

  by Velour in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the few times that i've had a chat about my atheism, i usually get a response like the one above.

  "well, seeing how you were in a cult- i can understand why you're an atheist now," just dismissing the bulk of the reasons i have for my disbelief.. i think what is particularly awkward about someone telling me this is- it's part way true- only part way though.

  however, they stop listening after i explain to them that, "yes, being in a cult was an impetus to my search" and they fail to hear the rest of what i'm saying and believe that i went from point a to point f and just skipped all the steps and months of research in between out of some kind of anti-jw tantrum.

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  It certainly played a part, but as for this being the ONLY reason - as alleged above - then I beg to differ.

  One of the things that drew me to the JWs in the first place is that they seemed to be different to the other Christain churches:

  - and the so called "Mainstream" churches held no appeal to me.

  In actual fact, were it not for the JWs, I would never have ever been involved with religion in the first place.

  Bill
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  District Crapvention - Immense Image in Daniel

  by outsmartthesystem in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  since my exodus is yet incomplete.....i was there.

  and it was indeed awful.

  according to the talk.....the iron and clay feet of the immense image is the anglo-american world power.

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  Bungi Bill

  When I first started reading WTS literature some 45 years ago, much was being expounded from the two Bible books - Daniel and Revelation. And yes, in those years, we were always being told that the feet made from a clay / iron mix represented the polically fragmented world of these "Last Days."

  Bill.
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  Whats changed since you were baptized????

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was baptized in 1986.. 2 generation changes..

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  Bungi Bill

  I was baptised in 1972.

  Tobacco smoking was not then a disfellowshipping offence, although it was shortly to become one.

  Anybody married to a homosexual could not get a "scriptural" divorce.

  Regular Pioneers had to report at least 100 hours per month.

  "Temporary Pioneers" had just become "Auxiliary Pioneers", and a "Back Call" had just been changed to a "Return Visit."

  The WTS-promoted 1975 hype was going strongly, and anyone who queried this was written off as "immature." Then, in 1976, it was all blamed on us as individuals, for "reading more into it than the Society put in writing."

  The "Kingdom Ministry" became the "Kingdom Service", at the same time as the Theocratic Ministry School became just the Theocratic School. Then a few years later, it reverted to the "Kingdom Ministry" and "Theocratic Ministry School" once more.

  AND ....... there was no witch hunt for those who drove a two-door car while out in the service!

  Bill.
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  607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

  by Witness My Fury in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

  using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

  do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

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  Bungi Bill

  Evidently, the full moon is not to blame this time - as that does not occur until Friday.

  It must just be that internet access has been restored to the Psycho Ward (also that modern straight jackets permit the fingers to reach a keyboard!)

  Bill.